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Chatterbox: Episode 4 - UMG (and Drake) Moving Foul
UMG and Def Jam are censoring artists who associate with Drake's rivals, exemplified by their demand to remove Kendrick Lamar's verse from Clipse's upcoming album despite it reportedly not containing any direct disses.
• Clipse's album "Let God Sort Them Out" has been delayed after label demands to censor or remove Kendrick's verse
• Pusha T and No Malice stood firm against censorship, resulting in them being dropped by Def Jam
• The duo secured a distribution deal with Roc Nation after standing their ground
• This situation contradicts claims that UMG is plotting against Drake
• Corporate intervention in hip-hop creates a dangerous precedent for artistic expression
• Drake's industry influence appears to be dictating who other artists can collaborate with
• The music industry is entering an era where labels take sides in personal beefs
• Artists face punishment based on associations rather than actual content
yo, what's going on? We have a? Um, a special chatterbox episode today, late to the party, whatever we want to call it. Um, usually we wait until the main episode to talk about pretty much everything, right, but I did want to speak on this as it's something that's coming out today. Thank you for listening to another episode.
Speaker 1:We appreciate everybody who's following and who's been tapping in with us lately, right, so I don't want to talk about the beef between Drake and Kendrick too much. We all been trying to move away from it. A lot of people say that Kendrick is dragging it because he's the one on tour still performing the diss songs. He's not doing anything else except for performing his hits though, uh, the diss songs. He's not doing anything else except for performing his hits, though. Um, on the last episode of late to the party I spoke about let guy sort them out which is um clips, new album excuse me, dropping in july, okay, where I want to start, all right. So we had talks of a feature that Pusha T was waiting on, right. Everybody was like, oh, you know, the album is coming, they're just waiting on this one feature, which I still think. The feature that they was talking about may be a Jay-Z verse, but we do have confirmation that Kendrick Lamar is on this new album with Eclipse. Which cool, exciting. It's good to hear them together. They've, they've, they've wrapped together before, also on a great track, and you know they did that.
Speaker 1:Now I think with this new album we are running to our first problem with Drake suing problem with Drake suing UMG. The problem is not that. The problem is not only that Drake is mad because somebody said something negative about him. It's the problem that now everything will be relating back to Kendrick saying something about Drake. And the reason that I'm talking about this is because Pusha T did an interview and I think it was with GQ. I haven't read the whole thing but I will. Before this, before our next episode, I will try to dig deep into that a little bit more. But we have a Kendrick verse. So this album was supposed to come out actually last year, right Sometime last summer when they was doing the LV, and then, you know, pharrell had the Louis Vuitton thing, all that, whatever right.
Speaker 1:The album had to get pushed back due to Def Jam and UMG, which is the parent company of Def Jam, asking one of two things Kendrick to censor his verse or for the clips to take Kendrick verse off the song. I haven't heard the song. No one had. I mean, I'm pretty sure people have, but the masses have not heard the song yet.
Speaker 1:But the word that I am hearing is it's not even a dis verse, he's not dissing anybody, but Def Jam and UMG did not like the optics of two people who's beefing with Drake to be on a song together. Yeah, that's weird, right. So for drake to tell umg I don't know how it went, I'm just going off of what some, some, some, some heads, some talking heads have told, right. Drake tells umg, hey, we gotta put a stop to this. Umg goes to def jam office and yo, I think we should do something about this. And Def Jam obliges to then turn to the Clips and say, hey, we need to censor, we need y'all to censor his track, his verse, and shout out to the Clips for saying, no, that's not going to happen. Right, but they told the Clips, they told Pusha T and no Malice that, hey, we need y'all to censor this man's verses, this man's verse, or completely remove his verse from the song. How crazy does that sound? This is the road that we're about to head down when it comes to words in music. Fuck how you feel about Drake, I'm still a fan of Drake. I still listen to Drake music. That has nothing to do with this, though, whether his music is good or not. The rabbit hole or the lane that we are about to go down now, based off of a battle that another man has asked the man to drop, drop, drop, and then he drop, and now you're. You're so in your feelings, not only are you suing, you're also trying to get shit to stop. Where this man eat.
Speaker 1:Def Jam says okay, let us talk to Clips, let's talk to Pusha T, and no Malice. Pusha T and them say no, right, we're not going to censor it, we're not going to remove his verse. I love that. We standing on business, right, def Jam. Then Def Jam and UMG then turns to Clips and say Well, we're going to have to drop Clips as a duo. Pusha T say you drop them, you're going to have to drop me.
Speaker 1:On one hand, I love that they standing on that, because the thing is, most people care about the hits and how it look. And nigga, we putting our shit out. We putting our art out to the public. We putting our shit out. We putting our, our art out to the public. So clips say or push your teeth, say no, if you drop them, you're going to. I'm still a solo artist. So it will do this Def jam. Like I said, on one hand, I love that he's standing on B, I love that they are standing on business. This is our art. On the other hand, you have a Def Jam company who ain't been shit in years? Who ain't been shit in years? You got a Def Jam company then saying well, you know what, we'll drop you as a duo and drop you as a solo artist. What type of shit is that?
Speaker 1:So for everybody who's saying that UMG is trying to take Drake down, this is actually a knock to your argument. This is actually a knock to your argument saying that UMG has plotted this, because UMG would still try to put this out, because if it was a diss to Drake or if it was something that looked bad towards Drake, they would still push it. Not only did they not push it, they say you know what? We don't even want y'all on the label. No more. Now shout out to Pusha T and Malice uh for getting a distribution deal with Rock Nation. Of course Rock Nation is. You know, jnm going rock. You know I'm saying nigga.
Speaker 1:We we arguing over lyrics to the to the Drake stans. This is the problem that we, now that we're now in that companies are now going to start looking at artists and being like, because it ain't even. And the thing is, it's not what Kendrick is saying on a verse. I have yet to hear the verse. It's not even what Kendrick is saying on a verse. It's the optics of Kendrick. It's the optics of Kendrick and Pusha T standing next to each other after they both have demolished one of the biggest artists in the world. So now we run into that problem in that lane of. Well, if y'all got a problem with Drake, I don't know if we can work with you no more. That gives me more like Everybody is looking on the front end and saying Kendrick is dragging it or so-and-so is dragging it. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes because obviously Drake tried to get Kendrick off of the Like that song with Future. They tried to get him to stop doing Not Like Us.
Speaker 1:I love that Kendrick is going around still performing Not Like Us. I remember me saying on this podcast with Dodie I remember saying you know what I want, kendrick, just to stop. Don't even let this man oh no, fuck that now, because you are behind the scenes still doing stupid shit, you still moving like a bitch. You still moving like a bitch. Like we, on one hand, don't want lyrics used in court, we don't want the labels to be able to stop what we saying, and we got free speech and all of this, but if it comes to the beloved Drake, we have to back back. This is what makes listening to Drake kind of cringy at times, and this is why listening to Drake with the melodies crew, love, controller, family, closest shit like that it sounds better than listening to him trying to act tough because it looked different.
Speaker 1:Now, one of my favorite songs newer. One of my newer favorite songs from drake is knife talk. All right, it's so hard to listen to knife talk. I love give me a hug, but it's so hard to listen to give me a hug. You know I'm saying it's just, it's just hard. I was listening to one of his songs the other day where where drake talks about he twisting fingers for blah, blah, you ain't twisting man. This is. This is why. This is why certain people get along with or want to get along for to get along with Drake, because we bitches too, but no, we just.
Speaker 1:I think we are about to enter into a very interesting Future when it comes to rap beefs future when it comes to rap beefs and everybody like they won't not everybody, but I've seen somebody's talking about some well, drake gonna be throwing shots again on his new album. Why are you throwing shots right now? Now I'm in a position where you can throw all the shots you want family. It's not even worth it. You know the niggas in the hood or the niggas in the neighborhood where you from that if you beat him up, you don't really get no points. It don't look good on you. That's what Drake is becoming be a pop star. Go get your hits, man. Yes, go go ahead and claim that you bigger and better than Michael Jackson has ever been, which is fucking 80. That's just crazy to say. But go ahead and do that, because now, if I battle against you, I don't get nothing from it. Either I'm going to end up in court or, like if I win, I'm just going to end up into some.
Speaker 1:I was listening to the Brilliant Idiots podcast and Charlamagne said that this man put gave some folks the green light to do something to Charlamagne. But Charlamagne, being cool with certain people, he got the heads up. That's what you doing off of words, my nigga. Now I like on On the opposite end of that. I don't see how Thug Lil Baby, future, um, or whoever Still looks at you like, yeah, that's still my nigga, though he gonna I'ma ride for it like I'ma Back off of you. That's just crazy, that's just a.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to touch on that for a second because think about that, umg, let Clips go as a group. Also, let Pusha T go as a group because they didn't want to take Kendrick Lamar verse off a song. And yet, and still still, y'all believe UMG has Kendrick in a back pocket to try to take down Drake. That nigga just lost the battle and now UMG and stupid ass Def Jam are playing into the games of. We must censor you, make it make sense. I just wanted to tell y'all what's going on in the industry of hip hop right now. In the industry of hip hop right now. In the industry of hip hop right now. Thank you for listening to another event session of chatterbox. I'm out.